Re: Bev's postings to the IAS Message Board

From: Bernie and Beverly Doucette (bnb@cybrzn.com)
Fri May 19 13:23:50 2000


> Bev's messages at the International Adhesions Forum:
>
> From: Bev (bnb@cybrzn.com)
> Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:03:35 -0500 (CDT)
>
> Having had long discussions with pathologist friends of mine as well as
> surgeons, it is perceived that the peritoneum will generate pain...but
there > doesn't appear to be pain pathways on the external intestines. I
> feel that this is a true perception as I did not experience any other pain
> at any time throughout my 14 years with adhesion disorder. In my two
> previous adhesional lysis, I experienced pain always in the lower right
> quadrant; and in each of those operational reports, I have ONE
attatchment > to the peritoneum in that area! I ask you all to secure your own
operative > reports for your own study, to acclaimate yourself to the PROBABLE
adhesion > attatchment sites that you have; and then compare those sites to your
pain > area. This will give you a semblance of awareness of why you suffer the
> symptoms that you do. Keep in mind, each consecutive surgery might
produce > more adhesions; but you will probably be able to get a decent idea of
your > adhesional involvement.
>
> Bev
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> Dr. Harry Reich, M.D. New York
> From: Beverly J. Doucette (bnb@cybrzn.com)
> Tue, 8 Jun 1999 10:38:02 -0500 (CDT)
>
> Dear Friends, I am sharing my experience of surgery performed under Dr.
> Harry Reich of New York; since a number of you asked about it in greater
> detail.  Please keep in mind that this is MY surgery and that each one of
> us has a case history unique to each one of us.  I also am stating MY
> interpretation of how the body responds to and creates adhesions, as I
> understand that physiological process.
>
> Previous to consenting to Dr. Reich's adhesional lysis procedure, I
> requested a copy of it so that I could determine for myself what was being
> done differently than the other adhesional lysis, which I had.  I also
> checked out his credentials with the AMA - all very outstanding
> recommendations.  I then asked for statistics of the surgery;  and, even
> though he has not kept a following of his patients, he does have some
> figures on it and it looked to be the higher % of success for
non-reforming
> adhesions with his procedure.
>
> I also was put in contact with a woman who had undergone his lysis last
> June.  We talked at great length ( e-mail ) and we continue to do so.  She
> was a wealth of information and encouragement for me...and you can be
> assured that I am watching her case closely as it parallels my
> adhesionalhistory very closely.  Dr. Reich also videotapes his entire
> surgery for you.
>
> Dr. Reich's theory regarding non-reforming adhesions is:  "The solution to
> pollution is dilution!"  And he stands by that phrase yet today.  This
> procedure is done through a minimally invasive route.  One small incision
in
> the naval for camera, two 1" to  2" incisions on each side of the lower
> abdomen for instrument use.  Dr. Reich is the only ambidextrious surgeon
in
> the United States - and that is a plus for us!   He does a diagnostic
> look-around upon entering the cavity - looking for any invasive pathology
> besides adhesions.  He evaluates the situation and then determines his
plan
> of treatment.  In the event that there are dense adhesions, he proceeds to
> dissect (separate) them.  This is not an easy process and is very
involved.
> I can understand why most DRs do NOT want to challenge themselves doing a
> lysis, which is dangerous and tedious - as the DR is working right up
> against and around the intestines, etc.  Based on Dr. Reich's vast
> experience with laparoscopic surgeries, he has developed a technique like
no
> other surgeon in the world!  That is why he has the reputation as the
being
> the best laparoscopic surgeon in the world!  It was the clean-up at the
end
> of his surgery that impressed me the most;  and was also the reason that I
> chose to go to him and have this done!  He cleans out almost EVERY piece
of
> clotted blood that is in, around, under, and virtually all over in the
> abdominal cavity following the surgery!  He feels that it is this residual
> clotted blood that the anti-bodies in an adhesion former's system respond
to
> as "foreign" - and thus creates an adhesion over it to protect the
internal
> organs!  Now, this is exactly how our bodies defense system works!
>
> Think about your getting a sliver (externally of course).  What does our
> body's defense system do to that foreign body?  It sends out the
leukocytes
> and creates an "infection" to get rid of it - right?  Internally, one of
> two types of defense systems kick in when there is a problem:
>
> 1.)  If our appendix ruptures, we get peritonitis (an internal infection -
> like pus or white blood cells that spill into the cavity).  Those white
> cells are responding to an inflammation in the appendix and build up and
> burst;  but it WAS a defense mechanism as well.  Peritonitis can kill us
as
> the body has no way to rid itself of that infectious drainage;  and it
> infects the surrounding internal organs as well.  In defense our body
sends
> the leukocytes (white cells) to the area of "infectious drainage."
>
> 2.)  Because there is an active infectious foreign body in the abdominal
> cavity, our body will attempt to "CONTAIN" that poison to protect the
other
> internal organs from damage!  These white cells form a material
> called "fibrin," which is the sticky stuff in the blood.  The fibrin
starts
> to cover the infectious material and then you have what is called an
> "ADHESION!"  Now, adhesion means "to stick together."  In the abdominal
> cavity - filled with lots of organs in very close proximity to one
another -
> what do you think will happen?  Abdominal organs become attached to one
> another - everywhere that the infectious drainage touched!
>
> Lets look at that same reaction now using the clotted residual blood
> following your internal surgery.  Blood is found throughout the cavity
from
> any area of surgery or ischemia (areas scraped or cut - causing an area
> that bleeds).  In the cavity this blood dries very fast - VERY FAST!  Now,
> 99.9% of surgeons DO NOT clean up the residual blood clots thus leaving
that
> in, around, and under your internal organs. Your body see this blood
> as a foriegn body and sends out the leukocytes and thus forms adhesions
> wherever these clots of blood are.  Because fibrin is sticky, some of
these
> organs become attached to the peritoneum (innermost tissue of the
abdominal
> wall) causing pulling and inflammation at the attachment sites - thus
> causing PAIN and eventually a decrease in our physical mobility. That pain
> is from the attachment to the peritoneum.  Other organ to organ
> attatchments, if any, don't cause pain;  but these other organ to organ
> attachments can cause:
>
> 1. Bowel obstructions
> 2. Painfull and difficult bowel movements
> 3. If some adhesions attach the bowel to the vaginal wall, these can cause
> painful intercourse as well.
>
> Dr. Reich uses a procedure called "aqua" surgery.  He is constantly
flushing
> the cavity with ringers lactate (a type of compatible fluid to the human
> body - like saline);  and he finds the fibrin strings and removes them -
bit
> by bit - a wonderfull cleanup job (on my video).  If someone would have
told
> me he could clean up that cavity as good as he did, and I had NOT seen him
> do it, I wouldn't believe them!  So, if you want a copy of my video, I'll
> send it to you!
>
> His theory is that if the cavity is cleaned of the clotted blood, the
body's
> defense system will have less to react to - thus reducing, and possibly
> stopping, the reformation of PAINFULL and distructive adhesions.  He also
> leaves 3-4 liters of ringers in the abdomen following his surgery.  It
takes
> about 48 hours to dissipate out of the body (lots of peeing goes on).  I
was
> not shaved, had no urinary catheter in place nor gastric nasal tube (when
I
> awoke in recovery) following 5 hours of surgery;  and I was back in our
> suite in less then 4 hours following recovery room.  Sure, I had surgery
> pain;  but I also had both ovaries removed and two tumors!  One very large
> tumor had attached to the right side of my colon on the left side of my
> peritoneum - my colon was totally twisted over and attached!  No wonder I
> hurt and couldn't have a BM on my own!
>
> How am I now?  I'm a tiny bit sore on the lower right;  but that is from
an
> organ removal.  NO ADHESION PAIN, NO BACKACHES, NO PAIN PILLS, and a smile
> on my face that only a crow bar could remove!  I had been on:
>
> 1. Pain medication,
>
> 2. Anti-inflammatory medication - which you need to be on at LEAST 1500
MGS
> a day if you are suffering adhesion pain.  This medication is to help
combat
> the inflammation from the pulling of the organ at the attachment site.
You
> can bet you have something attached to the peritoneum at this time - and
it
> is pulling and doesn't like that!
>
> 3. Antacids - from irritation of the esophagus and stomach from years of
> drugs.
>
> 4. Sleep/pain meds at night and last but not least...
>
> 5. Laxatives - and you know what that was for!!
>
> NO MORE!!  I take a 500 mg chewy for calcium and Vitamin E for heart
> muscle - as I refuse to go on hormone replacement until I present with
> symptoms...and I have not yet!
>
> Dr. Reich will state that his procedure is NOT a sure thing;  but
> statistically, his lysis patients have shown a great reduction in
reforming
> adhesions following his lysis.  I discussed Dr. Reich's procedure with a
> local surgeon as well as a pathologist (who our son works with) before I
> agreed to have it done.  I also sent them my post-operative reports that
> defined the locations of previously lysed adhesions in both my abdoman and
> pelvic cavity.
>
> During a routine autopsy, they instilled 3-4 liters of ringers lactate to
> raise the abdominal wall away from the intestines to determine if, in
fact,
> an adhesion could reform and REACH the abdominal wall to attach itself
from
> the intestine - when there is that much ringers lactate in the cavity
(that
> type of attachment was the ONLY cause of my pain) - and when organ
> attachment involves the peritoneum, you have pain!  (I had that in both
> previous lysis).  It did raise the abdominal wall a good 3-4" and in all
> probability, an adhesion would NOT be able to attach.
>
> In the event you are interested in contacting Dr. Reich, let me know and I
> will assist you with that as well.  I also can give some pretty fresh
ideas
> in planning a trip to New York (without getting hit by a street-selling
> crook....like someone I know did!).
>
> I hope this synopsis provides you with the information you asked me for.
If
> there is anything else I can do for you, please feel free to e-mail me at:
> bnb@cybrzn.com .  Please educate yourselves to all that you can about
> adhesion disorder and then call for a SIT DOWN consultation with your DR.
to
> discuss all areas of adhesion disorder.  Take him information from Dr.
> Wiseman, the Women's Surgical Group, and even from the International
Pelvic
> Pain Society under the direction of Dr. Perry.  Many times the DR. is as
> scared and frustrated as we are as to what to do for you!   Also
re-evaluate
> your medications - you MUST be taking an analgesic (pain med)
> on a consistent basis for it to be effective in your system to combat the
> pain.  It is also imperative that you have an anti-inflammatory.
>
> As for an MRI, Cat Scan or any other high tech medical test for a person
> with a history of adhesions, I feel it is a waste of money and time.  A
> simple ultrasound and abdominal x-ray will detect any abnormal pathology
in
> the abdomen.  If you feel that you are suffering from the same type of
pain
> in the same region - as with your previous adhesion problem - then you
sure
> don't need anymore tests, if an ultrasound proves negative!   Everything
> else will be negative too;  and your DR. STILL cannot diagnose your
> adhesions as the cause of your pain - unless a diagnostic laparoscopic
> surgery is performed.
>
> Your Dr. cannot say that your pain is caused by your adhesions until he
sees
> them;  but you can pretty much be assured that the pain is from
adhesions -
> if you had adhesions before - if your tests show negative.
>
> You can say it is your adhesions and not have to worry about getting sued.
> Your DR. can't!  He sure might think it is from them;  but he really,
really
> cannot say it until proven!   BUT, as long as all medical tests rule
> out abnormal pathology, you DO have CHRONIC PELVIC PAIN and that IS
> recognized as a medical condition;  so get on a pain management routine
and
> take it from there!   A DR. HAS TO respond to your request for that!
> There also is NOT any other effective pain management for adhesions:  no
> massage (the adhesions are located too deep within the cavity for
"breaking
> down," etc..) and no type of linaments or balms which will neither reach
nor
> penetrate the peritoneum.  The peritoneum tissue is there to PROTECT
against
> invasion of infectious and foreign matter.  That IS OUR problem to begin
> with!  So please be carefull folks with paying out bucks for things that
> sound good - but WILL NOT work on the adhesions!
>
> Relaxation, massage, and such WILL help relax the adhesion sufferer - and
> there is something to be said for treating the emotional as well as the
> psychological self.  In fact, it is imperative to do that!!   And therapy
> for family members - support, education, and ideas as to how to live with
> one who is suffering this very painfull and debilitating disorder.  The
> impact that "Adhesion Disorder" places on a family is no different than a
> diagnosis of cancer, Muscular Dystrophy, Multiple Sclerosis, or any other
> debilitating disorder - only that our disorder is just beginning to be
> focused on.  How much focus it gets is up to each one of us!  So learn
about
> it!!  Educate your DR.s about it!!  Don't be afraid of it;  because it can
> be effectively lived with...and, most of all, there is HOPE !!!
>
> If a medical facility DID NOT perform medical tests on a patient, who
> presented with complaints of pain - and just assumed that their symptoms
of
> pain WERE due to adhesions (because the patient has a history of
> adhesions) - what would you do if you DID have a tumor or cancer and it
went
> undetected because of a DR. writing your pain off as due to adhesions
> without checking into it?  I'd be pretty miffed!  My recent contacts with
> the Mayo Clinic indicated to me that a number of the DR.s DID in fact feel
> that adhesions in and of themselves caused pain.  Like almost everywhere
> else though, they have not come up with a practical treatment or surgical
> procedure that would benefit an adhesion former.  Mayo Clinic DR.s will
work
> with an adhesion patient through pain management.  I did start my pain
> management through them.  (I cannot see a basis for an "investigation"
into
> the Mayo Clinic or any other medical facility because they perform medical
> tests on those of us who have a history of adhesions.)   I was found to
have
> TWO tumors - and that was only through an adhesional lysis that I elected
to
> have done in New York City under Dr. Reich!   If he had not found them,
who
> knows what might have happend to me.  I would not allow any local DR.s to
> perform anymore tests on me as I was convinced that ALL MY pain was from
> adhesions and that there was no valid reason to put myself through
> testing that would have negative results for abnormal pathology - let
alone
> pay for tests over and over again.  Boy was I wrong!!!  So I have to
advise
> all, for what it's worth, that testing is necessary and could save your
> life!  If all tests have negative results for abnormal pathology, then it
is
> probably your adhesions.  It is then up to you to determine the next
step -
> surgery for them or live with them and try pain management.
>
> I do believe that the more educated one becomes to their own disorder, the
> better equiped they are to discuss treatment with a DR - even down to what
> needs to be done in a surgery, if you elect that route!  I also feel that
> adhesional lysis, performed in a certain way, CAN reduce the amount of
> reformed adhesions;  and, in all probability, decrease the formation of
> DeNovo adhesions.  I firmly believe that there are NO adhesion barriers
> created today that will be effective in dealing with adhesions - and I
mean
> NONE!  Once you learn what type of procedure is best for an adhesional
> lysis, you can discuss it with your surgeon - even dictate how and what
you
> wish to have done for you and this disorder!  Thanks!
>
> Beverly
>
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> Remember these words..."YOU ARE NOT ALONE!"  I stated the other day that
if
> anyone thought that adhesion disorder can't kill...ask Dr. Wiseman who the
> second victim of Dr. Kavorkian (Dr. Death) was...well I'll tell
> you...it was a 56 year old woman who suffered chronic pelvic pain!  Our
> disorder...OURS!!!  I suffered and still suffer from this disorder,
surgery
> or not...I am addicted to pain meds and am withdrawing from them at this
> time.  I am scared to death every time I eat as I think I'll get
constipated
> and will suffer such horrible pain...BEFORE, DURING and AFTER I
> defecate..yes, have a bowel movement.  I live with the fear that I'll
start
> to pee my pants again as I did for 10 years...and I am ONLY 48 years old
> now...so that put me at 38 years old living liked that!  Every little pain
I
> get in my abdomen fills me with fear that the adhesions are back...but
then
> I talk to myself and run through what I have learned about OUR disoder and
I
> settle myself down and I am better ...better for awhile.
>
> Because I have educated MYSELF about adhesion disorder I will make it
> through this part of it as well, but I will always live with that fear of
> them reforming...it is ever present in the back of my mind and I find
myself
> feeling anxious at times to live every minute that I have now...and I
will!
> I share only from experience and what I have learned living with this...I
> don't know anything any better then the rest of you, maybe just from a
> different perspective, thats all.  I need to hear your perspectives also,
no
> not for personal gains, not for any study, not really for any other reason
> than the fact that you have what I have; and I am so grateful for the
> sharing as that to me IS educating myself yet on all this new stuff.
> Thank-you Helen, Anne, Chris, Michele, everyone who has the courage to
reach
> out to touch the lives of fellow sufferers like me..a.lets build this
> thing...and let's pray for strength and progress...as folks....I WAS dying
> as I lay on my couch not being able to eat, vomited all the
> time...had become intolerant to ALL my medications last

September...couldn't > have a regular BM without laxatives, and I couldn't sit for over 10 minutes > with out excruciating pain...went outside only 2 times in April 1999...that > was to make the trip to New York for surgery...2 times. > > I went from my bed to my couch...took pills, waited, oh god how I waited for > 7pm so that I could take my heavy dose of sleep and pain pills and go to bed > again! I remember looking outside and my husband asking if I > wanted to try to take a walk...I was too weak and he knew that, but I said > no as it looked like it was going to rain, it looked cloudy and not real > inviting to me...you know what, friends, my husband said the sun WAS > shining and there wasn't a cloud in the sky! But, by the grace of GOD, it > looked uninviting to ME..and I didn't have to suffer the reality that I was > just to ill to even take a walk outside. What a good GOD I have...didn't > want to tempt me, I guess..but I really think he didn't want to hurt me even > more! Social life...nope, not interested...couldn't eat or sit > anyway...hadn't sat at my own kitchen table in two years...if and when I > ate, it was reclining on the couch! I loved my husband and 3 children so > much...but I was ready to go as I was just so tired...so tired, not unhappy, > not unloved...just ready to sleep forever and not lay and watch life go by, > even that didn't matter anymore...I was just so tired! The thought ofdying > wasn't scary...wasn't depressing, it wasn't really anything as I was just > too tired to want to keep laying around vomiting and in pain so that > everyone else was at peace knowing that I was still around or something...I > WAS DYING! > > What IS life if it isn't living? What is the highest quality of life for > me? To just be able to get up in the morning and move about...no vomiting, > not a lot of pills, to be able to eat. I pretty much still live on egg > custard and yogart, some scrambled eggs. NO CHEESE as cheese is so > constipating that I will forever be afraid of it..and I live in the dairy > state WISCONSIN, so I won't be doing any commercials I suppose! I mentioned > to my husband the other day how bright the sun was shining as we were > preparing to take a drive...with ME sitting up in the FRONT seat, not laying > in the back with pillows...WOW...now that IS life!!! I notice all the > little things now...but to me they are the big things...I went and grocery > shopped last week...alone! Two weeks ago my husband said he was getting > tired and was going up to bed...I said, "Ok, honey, I'll be up in a bit when > I finish puttsing here." He stopped and looked at me...it was 10pm!! He > was looking at the clock, so I did too...we both started to > laugh. HE was going to bed and I was staying up! Then we just hugged and I > started to cry...I mean REALLY cry... you see I WAS STAYING UP!!! That's > all...just something so simple; but to me it meant LIFE....I can't > continue sharing right now. I'm sorry, but all this reflection causes me to > have to deal with this and I can't...I > just want to enjoy the time I've been given....please offer support, > education, your stories...anything that will reach out and give hope and a > chance for life for all adhesion sufferers...all who suffer pain for > whatever reason...for GOD sakes...if for no other reason...for yourselves! > > GOD BLESS EACH OF YOU! > > Bev >


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