>----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie and Beverly Doucette <bnb@cybrzn.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list ADHESIONS <adhesions@forum.obgyn.net>
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: Germany questions
> IF a person was to foillow in your footsteps, Joanne,
> Would your friend in Munich assist others, of good character that is, once
> they got threr? Do you know? It sounds like you have been in Europe
before,
> was that in Germany?
>
> When your speaking of money amounts, is that in American dollers?
>
> Please respond..
> I have communicated twice with Dr. Korell and like what I am hearing so
> far...with one exception, but not everything will be what I want to hear
and
> one out of ten sure isn't bad!!! :-)
>
> In friendship
> Bev
>> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chuck Butman <Chuckbcpa@email.msn.com>
> To: Multiple recipients of list ADHESIONS <adhesions@forum.obgyn.net>
> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 12:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Germany questions
>
> > I'll do the best I can to answer all these. I went alone to Germany as
I
> > have no money after 21/2 years on disability. I went in the winter so
> thaat
> > I could get the air rate of 500 dollars (from San Diego and back). I
do
> > not speak a word of German. This was VERY scary for me. Dr. Korell's
> > secretary booked a very inexpensive room for me at an Ibis hotel. This
> > hotel was connected to the train station. I got German money from the
> bank
> > of America or you can go to any money changer.before you leave. I made
a
> > mistake and did not bring any cash, only travelers checks. When you get
> out
> > of the airport, there is a bank but there is also a line. The train
> station
> > is attached to the airport. It is on an honor system. You put in your
> > money and a ticket will come out. I took 2 trains, one to the center of
> > Dusseldorf ( the city that I flew in to) and then another to Duisburg
> > where the hospital is.) But I could have taken just one but it comes
> less
> > often (on the hour) God sent an angel to be with me at that moment. A
> > scottish girl walked down the stairs to the train station behind me and
> > helped me with my ticket (she bought it for me as I still did not have
> > German money). When I got to Duisburg ( it was noon in Germany) i asked
> for
> > the Ibis hotel and almost all people speak English. I did some studying
> > before I left and carried a dictionary with me. I was amazed that the
> hotel
> > was right there. I checked in and was so excited to be back in Europe,
> that
> > I went shopping right away. The hotel is connected to the downtown
> shopping
> > street. I had a great time and found a bank to change my money. I
> checked
> > in with Dr. Korell's secretary, Carmen, who speaks english, at 9:00 am.
I
> > carried one suitcase on wheels. It was perfect. The room had a closet
> > with plenty of room. We went to the cashiers office where I paid for 5
> days
> > room. (2 thousand dollars). In Germany, they do not kick you out like
> they
> > do here. I paid Dr. Korell after the surgery. I made a check out to
him
> > for too much money and so now I am stil awaiting a refund. But the
> surgery
> > was only around 1,500. There is a bank about a mile from the hospital
> that
> > will cash travelers checks. So you could take a taxi there before you
> check
> > out to pay Dr. Korell. That way, you will not have all that cash with
> you.
> > The nurses were great! I loved the whole experience. Only a few spoke
> > english well but we laughed so much trying to make conversation. It is
> very
> > different from an American hospital as it is more like a hotel. You
> should
> > bring your own towels. The nurses only take blood pressures in the
> morning.
> > The rest of the time, they don't bug you. I had 2 roomates and we did
> well
> > with communication. On the 5th day, I toured the city on the bus which
> > picked me up outside the hospital. Remember that I had 2 surgeries and
> was
> > in a little more pain than you will be. But treat yourself to the 5
days.
> > I brought books on tape so that I could hear my language. You wil not
be
> > able to understand the TV. It was great. I felt like a pioneer and
hoped
> > that someday, I could help others too. I have always been very brave.
> You
> > will only need a passport and no visa. I brought my own pain meds and
> took
> > care of that myself as I was on 100 mgs a day of Methadone and 3,000 mgs
> of
> > Neurontin to stop the shaking of the trapped nerve. They did give me
> > something to help me sleep the night before. I woke up after surgery
> right
> > in my own hospital bed. No recovery room. If you bring a companion,
they
> > could stay at the Ibis, at about 60 dolars a night. The taxi from the
> hotel
> > was about 6 dollars or so. I have a dear friend who found Dr. Korell
for
> me
> > and lives in Munich. I took the train to Munich for another 5 days and
> flew
> > hme from there. I hope all this helps you. I loved my experience in
> > Duisberg. And I love the way I feel now. No more adhesions! I hope
this
> > helped you. Joanne
>> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Bernie and Beverly Doucette <bnb@cybrzn.com>
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ADHESIONS <adhesions@forum.obgyn.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 6:20 PM
> > Subject: Re: Karla N's questions about Joanne B's surgery in Germany...
> >
> > > Joanne, Would you please give me a total breakdown of the costs
invloved
> > > here. I have already communicated with Dr. Korell as of today. I had a
> few
> > > more questions for him and I am sure he will get back to me timely on
> > those
> > > as well.
> > >
> > > What I need from you is this:
> > > Do you speak German?
> > > How did you communicate with the hospital staff, did they speak
English
> > and
> > > German? Was a translator present at all times with you?
> > > The cost of the flight to and from Germany.
> > > How did you get from the airport to wherevere you stayed..and where
was
> > > that, as well as the cost?
> > > How and what arrangements did you make prior to going over to Germany:
> > > Hotels, airlines, transportation, translators? And all costs
> involvements
> > > with these, please.
> > > Did you need a visa? If so, what did you get it under, Medical? and
for
> > how
> > > long?
> > > Did a companion go with you? If so, where didn they stay and for how
> much
> > in
> > > American currency. Did you have to get your money exchanged for the
DM?
> > > You stated you were in patient, ( at least you seemed to indicate that
> as
> > > you mentioned a room rate for the hospital )
> > > Where did your companion eat, etc...how much was that all total?
> > >
> > > That is what I need at this time. If I have any more questions, I'll
> get
> > > back to you.
> > > Please place your answers on the forum if you would.
> > >
> > > In friendship
> > > Bev Doucette
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Chuck Butman <Chuckbcpa@email.msn.com>
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ADHESIONS <adhesions@forum.obgyn.net>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 5:10 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Karla N's questions about Joanne B's surgery in
Germany...
> > >
> > > > I really can't answer most of those questions. I have reread my
> > surgical
> > > > report which was much lengthier in German. Dr. Korell uses "sharp
> > > > disection" to remove the adhesions to prevent regrowth. He writes
> that
> > he
> > > > used "extensive irrigation" before instlling the Intergel. It looks
> as
> > > > though the total price for his surgery was 2,175 DM which is half
that
> > > > amount in our dollars. That includes all tests, exams, photos etc.
> > > Again,
> > > > the room was 350 dollars a day. I have a comlete breakdown of
costs.
> I
> > > > wish I could help more but as I said before, feel free to e-mail
him.
> > > > Joanne
>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Helen Dynda <olddad66@runestone.net>
> > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ADHESIONS
<adhesions@forum.obgyn.net>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 10:47 PM
> > > > Subject: Karla N's questions about Joanne B's surgery in Germany...
> > > >
> > > > > Joanne, You were unable to find Karla's questions about your
surgery
> > in
> > > > > Germany, because Karla was using Beverly's
> ( bnb@cybrzn.com )computer.
> > > > >
> > > > > Karla, I hope you don't mind that rearranged and numbered the
> > questions,
> > > > > which you had about Joanne's surgery in Germany.
> > > > >
> > > > > Karla's letter was addressed to:
> > > > >
> > > > > Toni
> > > > >
> > > > > Did you happen to read the message yesterday from Joanne? She flew
> to
> > > > > Germany where they used the Intergel...for much cheaper than it
> would
> > be
> > > > > here. She feels that she has been cured of her adhesions and I
> think
> > > > > that if that is true...we have much to hope for. However, I do
not
> > > > > think that Intergel will be approved here in the states. One of
the
> > > > > reasons it was denied for use was the increased likelihood of
> > infection
> > > > > following the placement of the intergel. I personally feel that
ten
> > > > > weeks post op is way
> > > > > too soon to say we are cured of adhesions...I am sure Joanne is
> > feeling
> > > > > like a new woman, but I wouldn't throw caution to the wind in
saying
> > > > > that I was cured if it were me. We all know how pain from
adhesions
> > can
> > > > > show up...just when we least expect it. It can take up to a
couple
> of
> > > > > years for the pain to show up. Another patient had the same
> procedure
> > > > > done over in Germany and is now worse off. I don't know whether
one
> > > > > should take the chance or not...it is up to the individual.
> > > > >
> > > > > 1.) I know that I would like to know just what procedure this
doctor
> > > > > used?
> > > > >
> > > > > 2.) Did he use clot evacuation?
> > > > >
> > > > > 3.) Did he leave any Ringers solution in at the end of the
> procedure?
> > > > >
> > > > > 4.) What was this doctor's theory on adhesions?
> > > > >
> > > > > 5.) What does he feel causes adhesions to form?
> > > > >
> > > > > These are all answers that I need to have before I can consider
> taking
> > > > > this step. I would love to get back to Germany...I lived there
for
> a
> > > > > couple of years and what better of an opportunity.
> > > > >
> > > > > Karla
> > > > >
> > > > > to the unsubscribe form at
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> > > > >
> > > >
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