Thanks for the reply Helen! You did help me. I guess I do need to go back to the doctors, I just have had such a time with the usual misdiagnosis, doubts about the amount of pain i'm in, and all they want to run all kinds of stupid, uncomfortable, time consuming tests that don't show anything! Right now I'm out of pain meds, been taking lots of asprin, and gritting my teeth a lot because I don't even want to call the doctor to get a refill. I'm doing so much better now that they took out my ovaries a year ago but this incontinece thing started about a month ago. Guess I'll strap on my warrior belt and go see a doc. Have a great day and thanks again :0) jessica