Karl wrote:
> Renee,
>
> I understand what you are trying to say and theoretically it sounds
> wonderful! The only question that I could see is the body's reaction to the
> foreign substance within....and the results of its reaction. As someone
> that has undergone SSSSOOOOOOOO many surgical procedures.....including many
> where they installed (is there a better word?) marlex or gortex for hernia
> repairs....only to develop major infections due to my body's rejection of
> those materials.
>
> It certainly would be much easier to use a little glue and eliminate the
> potential for adhesions developing. The only other question I have is
> wouldn't the wound need to be nice and clean....uniform.....to work? I cut
> open my hand when I was washing a glass a couple of months ago and they
> could not use the glue for that reason.
>
> It certainly is refreshing to see minds at work and I certainly do not want
> to be a naysayer....just want to throw some thoughts out there as to why it
> might not work.
>
> God Bless you!
>
> Karla
>> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Renee Madron <1renee2@gte.net>
> To: Multiple recipients of list ADHESIONS <adhesions@mail.medispecialty.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 1:55 AM
> Subject: Re: Fibrin Glue...a special kind of glue being used in surgical
> procedures.
>
> > If you think about it, it does make a little sense. This is how I am
> looking at
> > it, only a lay persons opinion. If the doc's were to use glue to stop the
> > bleeding from any site, then they wouldn't have to use so much gauze to
> dry up
> > the blood. Doesn't that sound logical? There wouldn't be a high degree of
> clot
> > removal. If blood is a factor in adhesion formation, then eliminating the
> > oozing, by using glue, would cut some of the risk, promote quicker
> healing, and
> > the way I see it, keep the doc's hands, instruments, and solutions at bay,
> thus
> > eliminating unnecessary trauma to the tissues.. Yes, glue would be
> another
> > foreign matter in the body cavity, but don't you think that gauze leaves
> lint,
> > threads, and so on, when used? OR towels even shed. I worked at a surgical
> > packaging plant for 2 1/2 years, as a materials handler, tray and trace
> cart
> > builder and then a level 3 inspector (very closely with Quality Control,
> who are
> > RN's or people that have obtained Bachelors Degree's in the field). I
> packaged
> > anything that was everything, from simple wound suture to open heart trays
> and
> > trace carts. I seen some "nasty things come into this place, as well as go
> out
> > (that I had no control over, QC had the last word). Not all gauze, going
> into a
> > medical establishment is prepackaged, it has to be touched and counted, by
> > several people, the same goes for OR towels, point is, there is an amount
> of
> > debris, lint and other matter that goes right into that operating room,
> that
> > sterilization can't stop. Anyway, I got off the subject...We all research
> new
> > and better ways to prevent adhesion re-growth, maybe I'm not looking at
> the big
> > picture here, but it sounds good to me. If this can be used in heart,
> breast,
> > colon, etc., surgery, why couldn't it be used as an additional prevention
> method
> > for adhesions? I have a lot more reading to do, but what I have read so
> far,
> > sounds pretty good and it doesn't sound any worse than some of the other
> stuff I
> > have read about in this forum or during my own research. You know what, I
> would
> > walk to the ends of the earth, if I knew I could regain just a portion of
> good
> > health, that would allow me to run, jump, and play with my nine year old.
> But, I
> > know right now that isn't possible, not until this business is publicized.
> I am
> > not just angry, that the subject is ignored, I am outraged, because this
> disease
> > wouldn't afford me, the chance to hold my daughter passed the age of 1 and
> it
> > doesn't afford me long walks or intimate moments with my new husband.
> "It", has
> > taken so much away from me, from us all, but you really want to know what
> makes
> > me so mad, our government sets behind their power, pushing their pencils
> and
> > passing paper all day, that they have no grasped value on the real world.
> They
> > allow billions of dollars each year to spent on "stupid" research, such
> as, "The
> > effects of flatulent livestock on the ozone layer". Hello! Who and what
> does
> > that benefit? Who does it cost? US! Why? Because they obviously don't
> care, as
> > long as they're getting paid, then nothing else matters. They harp about
> medical
> > care, cutting cost here, and pinching costs there, raising the prices of
> this
> > procedure and that, but what is being done to better it? I see nothing.
> Why
> > can't Mr. Clinton, drive a Honda, and get a $10.00 hair cut, like the rest
> of
> > us. Instead of remodeling the White House with every new president, why
> not live
> > in the old? Let them cut their own living expenses, instead of sponging
> off tax
> > payers. I am so sorry, If I spoken out of line, but we read about this
> garbage
> > and see it on T.V. everyday, and we can't get 1/10 of a percent of the
> > recognition for a disease, that I believe, is known throughout the medical
> > world, but shoved out of site and out of mind. Health, seems to be a
> luxury, if
> > you can afford it, that's great, if you can't, then that is just too
> bad...I
> > guess I have rambled on enough, thanks for listening. Before I go, I have
> to
> > leave this with you...
> >
> > Proverbs 3:5-6 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your
> own
> > understanding; In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct your
> > paths...
> >
> > Renee
> >
> > Marla wrote:
> >
> > > Question - How does any of this apply to using glue in the peritoneal
> > > cavity. I mean think what would happen if it got on your intestines.
> Ewww.
> > >
> > > Onery1
> > > http://www.soltec.net/~onery1
> > >
> > > Helen researched fibrin glue so well it will take me a month to sort it
> all
> > > out:
> > > 1.) Effect of Hemostat Agent (Fibrin Glue) for Hemostasis in Cementless
> > > Total Knee Arthroplasty
> > >
> > > http://www.aaos.org/wordhtml/anmeet94/sciprog/419.htm
> > >
> > > 2.) New Fibrin Sealant Approved to Help Control Bleeding in Surgery
> > >
> > > http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/ANSWERS/ANS00865.html.)
> > >
> > > 3.) Neither Sutures Nor Staples Have Inherent Sealing Characteristics
> > >
> > > http://www.fusionmed.com/market/cneeds.html#topFloSeal Matrix
> > >
> > > 4.) FloSeal Matrix
> > > http://www.fusionmed.com/product/floseal.html
> > >
> > > 5.) Fibrin sealant reduces fluid accumulation after breast surgery
> > > http://www.imaginiscorp.com/breasthealth/news/news10.21.99.html
> > >
> > > 6.) Re: Fibrin Glue for Anal Fistula -- Posted by HFHSM.D. on June 17,
> 1998
> > >
> > > http://www.medhelp.org/perl6/gastro/archive/1054.html
> > >
> > > 7.) Fibrin glues
> > >
> > > http://www.medicine.ox.ac.uk/ohc/fibglue.htm
> > >
> > > 8.) Fibrin Glue Stops Ulcerous Bleeding
> > >
> http://news.medscape.com/jobson/MedTrib/interncard/1997/v38.n17/FibrinGlueSt
> > > opsUlcerousBle.html
> > >
> > > 9.) Fibrin Glue Reduces Risks From Circumcision in Patients With
> Hemophilia
> > > http://www.mmhc.com/hemo/articles/hemov6n3/avnoglu.html
> > >
> > > 10.) Tisseel® VH Fibrin Sealant
> > >
> > > http://www.nhsusa.com/tisseel.html
> > >
> > > 11.) Fibrin Sealant Demonstrates Reduced Complications From Breast
> Cancer
> > > Surgery
> > >
> > > http://www.pslgroup.com/dg/3df72.htm
> > >
> > > 12.) Injection Of Fibrin Glue To Treat Bleeding Ulcers
> > >
> > > http://www.pslgroup.com/dg/36b56.htm
> > >
> >
>