Advice, please, on how to make next surgery my last!

From: Robyn in Napa, CA (
Mon Sep 11 19:05:58 2000


I'm new here. Recently moved here, and to the Endo Forum at, from Fertile Thoughts after three years in fertility treatment. I would like to add the benefit of your experience and research to my upcoming decision to have what I hope will be my "final surgery" -- a full Laparoscopic Vaginally Assisted Hysterectomy (bilateral oopherectomy).

I'm 41 -- and basically healthy expect for the terrible chronic pelvic pain between my belly button and pubic bone. I have mild endometriosis, fibroid tumors and surgical adhesions (one on left ovary, another between bladder and uterus originally caused by an adhesion barrier (!), and who knows what new ones may have formed since my last lap). I've been on low dose narcotics (vicodin) for 4 years now. Can't take NSAIDs due to sensitive stomach, and because they were contraindicated for conception.

While I've had cyclic pelvic pain all my adult life, the burning, pulling day to day chronic pain appeared after my laparotomy in 1997 -- and adhesions were confirmed by two follow ups laps. (See history below, if you are interested). I have located an experienced lap specialist in my health plan, and he recommended a course of lupron before proceeding to the surgery. He feels the endo is the cause of my pain (thinking that fibroids and scar tissue don't themselves cause pain, but simply press or pull on other tender, painful organs). Because my endo has always been classed as "mild" and much of it has been previously excised, I tend to think (and feel, literally in my gut) that the pain is from the adhesions. I asked him about his adhesions prevention measures, and he assured me that "good surgical technique" was the most important factor (i.e. preventing bleeding, seepage, careful laparoscopic technique, and patience).

Before I schedule the full hysterectomy (LAVH-BLO) and live with the consequences the rest of my life, I agree with my Dr to at least try Lupron. He says there's a 50/50 chance it will reduce or eliminate my pain. He wants me to do it "cold turkey" for the first two weeks, then begin HRT add back. This seems reasonable to me, in that at best it may eliminate my pain by reducing estrogen stimulated inflammations, and at worst it will reduce blood flow to the endo/fibroids/adhesions, and perhaps make the surgery easier, and with less bleeding to cause more adhesions.

Is there any else you can suggest I consider, ask my Dr. about, "demand" that he do (o;, or anything else you can think of that would help me lower my risk of forming more adhesions after my female organs are gone, and any remaining visible endo has been removed. If I have pain then ... it will more than likely be from "just the adhesions."

Here's my history (if you are interested):

I'm sure I've had endo all my life. I've had horrible cramps since cycle one -- at age 12.

I had my first diagnostic lap in May 1989. Two external fibroids were found. No endo was observed then, but I'm sure it was there. (I have small patches, with deep implants, and no adhesions from the endo.) I decided to watch and wait (and suffer) to "preserve my fertility."

I had a lapartomy/myomectomy in preparation for fertility treatment in May 1997. 43 small fibroid tumors were removed, and many patches of mild endometriosis (in other words, small lesions, no scar tissue, clear tubes, and no endometriomas on ovaries).

Went back in for laparoscopy in Sept. 1997 when pain got worse after healing from surgery. Found scar tissue on left ovary (adhered to pelvic wall), and inflammation around the adhesion barrier he used to cover the uteruine incisions (called "Preclude," teflon I believe -- it's a leave in place, and while it prevented scar tissue, it caused a terrible inflammation.) He cauterized off the Preclude to remove it, and I believe, left the raw surface open.

I began fertility treatments, with Clomid first, and later Repronex. Took hCG shots for ovulation, and progesterone for luteal support. My hormones basically all came from the pharmacy -- and made my endo and fibroids worse. But it was "for the baby" -- which never came.

I had a 2nd follow up laparoscopy when the pain became unbearable again in May 1999 -- this time the Dr. found the ovary, again adhered to pelvic wall, and my uterus adhered to my bladder (where the Preclude had been). He also excised all visible patches of endo, and did a utereo-sacral transection to prevent it coming back. I was pain free (with vicodin) for the first time in years! But only for four months.

I continued trying to conceive. About six months later the pain returned ... and has gotten continually worse since then. It's a burning, searing midline pain, and direct ache in left ovary. My bladder feels full and aches all the time . When full it REALLY hurts. If bladder or bowels are filled with gas, liquid or solid, I often get a short duration excrutiating pain in mid-ab until it passes. No irritable bowel symptoms to speak of ... I just have to watch my diet to avoid food that I do not digest well, or take a long time to digest.

I can only hope the Lupron works ... but I am skeptical. I believe a hysterectomy is inevitable. I hope good surgical technique will make it my last surgery. If it works, I'll be grateful and relieved. But I know, all to well, there's a chance I'll end up with more scar tissue and pain.

So I'm looking to hear your experiences ... knowledge is power ... thank you for sharing with me.



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Robyn Myers American Canyon, CA


KAIEWA -- A Hawaiian word meaning "To take life philosophically as it comes, sometimes in poverty, sometimes in wealth."

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