> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bernie and Beverly Doucette [SMTP:bnb@cybrzn.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 1:47 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ADHESIONS
> Subject: Re: response to statement
>
> Dear Paula,
> You certainly do have my most public apology!
>
> The remark made yesterday on the postings on Paula being a " marketer "
> was
> insensitive on my part....I should have thought before writing it that
> way.
> That certainly appeared to be a negative, hurtful and intentional slander,
> and I drew that conclusion from the email address. That was totally unfair
> to Paula!
>
> You are correct Paula, this society is not meant for nor should it slander
> anyone, no matter what they are saying or doing on it. I am sorry I
> reacted
> with suspicion of you and placed the wrong motive of your intent to
> help...I
> feel very bad that what I said hurt you, and of course it would hurt hurt
> when all you were trying to do was share the best you knew how to! I was
> wrong to make such a comment!
> My reaction was to what I read about PT " softening " abdominal adhesion
> and knowing that it is impossible, I reacted, as I am adamantly against
> any
> type of claims of stuff like that without clarification of how it is
> accomplished, but I didn't give you a chance to clarify your commnets
> first!
> That is simply why I reacted and became suspicious along with he email
> address..all unfair to you, Paula! I very well should have discussed that
> with you in private! No excuse, but to err is human, and I am human, and
> so
> are you...now we can move forward in continueing to help others...okay?
>
> Please accept my sincere apology...and I look forward to you sharing with
> me
> and others on this society so we can help others as that ultimately is
> both
> our intents. Sorry again...:-)
>
> I look forward hearing from you on your PT intervention , and I hope that
> you will understand the need for a bit more defined explanations on this
> type of treatment as it is so important to know how it actually physically
> accomplishes the pain relief.
>
> In friendship
> Bev
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ZIMLICKI,PAULA M <MKT-PMZ@womans.com>
> To: Multiple recipients of list ADHESIONS
> <adhesions@mail.medispecialty.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 11:28 AM
> Subject: response to statement
>
> > Dear Bev,
> > I spent the better part of yesterday replying to your email. My reply
> will
> > be posted soon, but first, I must reply to your most recent comment. I
> am
> > most decidedly NOT a marketer looking for some business from people
> > suffering from adhesions, and I ask you to apologize for making what I
> > consider a slanderous statement. Please talk to Dave Wiseman--he can
> vouch
> > for my sincerity in helping to educate people about adhesions. I am
> very
> > distressed that you have felt it necessary to make such a statement
> about
> me
> > without any proof whatsoever.
> >
> > I am merely a woman who has suffered from adhesions from having so much
> > abdominal surgery and who has benefited from physical therapy, and ALL I
> > wanted to do was to participate in this forum by letting others know of
> a
> > possible treatment. I do not think that the International Adhesion
> Society's
> > purpose is to slander someone who is simply trying to help.
> > Paula M. Zimlicki
> > mkt-pmz@womans.com
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Bernie and Beverly Doucette [SMTP:bnb@cybrzn.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 10:22 PM
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ADHESIONS
> > > Subject: Re: How do I prevent them from coming back?
> > >
> > > Heat increases the blood flow to the already inflammed areas where
> > > adhesions
> > > are attached, thus increasing your pain! Joyce, PT can help external
> scar
> > > tissue to become more expandable, and it can help muscle tissue as
> well
> as
> > > soft tissues of the body, but it cannot touch the areas where internal
> > > abdominel adhesions are...it is impossible given the physical anatomy
> > > ofour
> > > body..layer by layer of thick muscle tissue and fatty tissue, then
> > > peritoneal tissue...can't help from PT my dear! but it sure will cost
> > > lots
> > > of money to find out it doesn't work!
> > >
> > > I fear we have a marketeer looking for some bussiness with a group of
> > > people
> > > in pain..if I am wrong, Paula can substantiate her claim as well as I
> can
> > > dispute it, agree with that part? I can also prove it is impossible
> for
> > > PT
> > > to help soften adhesion tissue....so therefor I CAN substantiate my
> claim
> > > that PT will not help ARD!
> > >
> > > Bev
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Joyce <Joyce@bellsouth.net>
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ADHESIONS
> > > <adhesions@mail.medispecialty.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 9:37 PM
> > > Subject: Re: How do I prevent them from coming back?
> > >
> > > > I also would love more info on PT for adhesions... I would be
> willing
> > > > to try it as I've had wonderful success with PT for tendonitis, but
> > > > adhesions is a far cry from tennis elbow. My argument would be with
> the
> > > > 'heat' treatment. Over the summer I tried sitting in a Hot Tub
> thinking
> > > > the heat would help my pain. Boy, was I wrong! Apparently, the heat
> > > > caused more swelling! I ended up in so much pain I had to go to bed
> in
> > > > the middle of the day which was a bummer being that I was on
> vacation.
> > > I
> > > > took some Anti-Inflammatory NSAID Medication and just layed there
> until
> > > > the pain eased. I was absolutely miserable! Never again will I try
> heat
> > > > to relieve the pain. And I've also tried Yoga stretches and
> Pilates.
> > > > They both seem to aggravate the condition. It feels like the
> pulling
> > > > reinjures the tissue... I would love to find an exercise or stretch
> > > > that helps instead of hurts.... if PT can help, then I'm all for
> it...
> > > > but I have to say, I'm skeptical. Would love more specific
> info.....
> > > >
> > > > Joyce
> > > >
> > > > At Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Bernie and Beverly Doucette wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >Please send substantiating information as to how PT can soften
> adhesion
> > > > >tissue?
> > > > >
> > > > >Adhesions are located deep within the abdomen and many surround the
> > > > >intestines, as time goes by the adhesion tissue toughens thus
> > > constricts
> > > the
> > > > >intestine or pulls other attached organs out of position more and
> more,
> > > how
> > > > >can PT help in that process?
> > > > >How does a therepist massage adhesion on the bowel? What about in
> the
> > > deep
> > > > >abdomen? There ia the large thick rectus muscle as well as a layer
> of
> > > fatty
> > > > >tissue between the surface of the abdomen and the adhesions, how
> are
> > > the
> > > > >adhesions massaged?
> > > > >
> > > > >A TENS unit is a nerve stimulator, how would that be of benefit on
> > > adhesion
> > > > >tissue as there is no nerves in adhesion tissue? And where would a
> TENS
> > > be
> > > > >placed on a person for abdominal adhesions, as without a
> laporoscopic
> > > > >surgery, it is unknown where the adhesion are and what they are
> > > attached
> > > to?
> > > > >
> > > > >Excersise that cause pulling of the organs that adhesions are
> connected
> > > to
> > > > >will increase inflamation thus pain, if a person cannot bend or sit
> for
> > > long
> > > > >due to the intestines not being able to move up and to the back of
> that
> > > > >person becasue they are attched to the peritoneum ( inner abdominal
> > > wall )
> > > > >wouldn't excersise create even more pain? At times even movement
> while
> > > > >riding in a car can cause pain simply from the motion of the moving
> > > vehicle.
> > > > >
> > > > >Are there brochures or information on these treatmenst? What has
> the
> > > history
> > > > >been as far as success? How is this success tracked if there is
> > > statistics
> > > > >on PT & Adhesion disease?
> > > > >
> > > > >Have you seen adhesion of the bowel or pelvis?
> > > > >
> > > > >It is imarative that comments of this nature be substantiated for
> those
> > > who
> > > > >are desperatly looking for medical intervetion and it is also
> important
> > > for
> > > > >them not to pay money they do not have in treatments that will be
> > > > >ineffective for this disease...it is my opinion that PT will not
> help
> > > > >adhesion sufferers other then to empty the pocket books.
> BUT...show
> me
> > > > >proof of all that was discribed here and I will be very willing to
> > > research
> > > > >it.
> > > > >
> > > > >Your new here, and we are happy that it worked for you, Paula, and
> who
> > > did
> > > > >your surgery? How many surgeries have you had and how may years
> have
> > > you
> > > > >suffered with adhesions? Did you have endo as well my dear?
> Thank-you
> > > for
> > > > >sharing this and we look forward to hearing more on this and
> answers
> to
> > > > >these questions as well.
> > > > >
> > > > >Sincerely yours
> > > > >Beverly
>> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: ZIMLICKI,PAULA M <MKT-PMZ@womans.com>
> > > > >To: Multiple recipients of list ADHESIONS
> > > <adhesions@mail.medispecialty.com>
> > > > >Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 12:10 PM
> > > > >Subject: Re: How do I prevent them from coming back?
> > > > >
> > > > >> I suffer from adhesions due to so much abdominal surgery. I had
> one
> > > > >surgery
> > > > >> for the adhesions, which I always found ironic since surgery is
> what
> > > > >caused
> > > > >> them in the first place! The second time the adhesions began
> giving
> > > me
> > > > >lots
> > > > >> of pain I tried physical therapy, and it worked. The pain was so
> > > severe
> > > > >that
> > > > >> it woke me up whenever I turned over at night. It's important to
> get
> > > a
> > > > >> physical therapist who has received specific training in
> abdominal
> > > > >> adhesions. The American Physical Therapy Association, which has a
> > > website,
> > > > >> can give you information as to whether a PT in your area is
> > > available.
> > > I
> > > > >> encourage all of you to try this. Through the use of ultrasound,
> scar
> > > > >> massage, heat, TENS unit, and exercises tailored toward the
> > > adhesions,
> > > I
> > > > >was
> > > > >> spared another abdominal surgery. The PT treatment does not get
> rid
> > > of
> > > the
> > > > >> adhesions but can soften them enough so that they don't cause the
> > > pain.
> > > It
> > > > >> spared me another abdominal surgery! I would be glad to answer
> any
> > > > >> questions.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Paula M. Zimlicki
> > > > >>
> > > > >> mkt-pmz@womans.com
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > > > >> > From: acinom@primenet.com [SMTP:acinom@primenet.com]
> > > > >> > Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 9:09 PM
> > > > >> > To: Multiple recipients of list ADHESIONS
> > > > >> > Subject: How do I prevent them from coming back?
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Hi everyone! I just stumbled upon this site tonight, I have yet
> to
> > > join
> > > > >> > the forum, but I was wondering if anyone could help me. I have
> > > endo,
> > > I
> > > > >> > had 2 laps in 99, and I have another one scheduled for October
> > > 30th.
> > > > >> > Each of the last times they found more problems with the
> surgical
> > > > >> > adhesions from an appendectomy back in 88 with minimal endo.
> The
> > > amount
> > > > >> > that came back in just 4 months was amazing. Well, the pain is
> > > back,
> > > > >> > and again I suspect it to be adhesions rather than endo, but
> who
> is
> > > to
> > > > >> > know for sure which is causing the pain since I have both
> problems?
> > > I
> > > > >> > dont want to take Lupron or any other hormonal treatment other
> than
> > > > >> > bcp's particularly because I fear the big problem is the
> adhsions
> > > so
> > > why
> > > > >> > mess with endo drugs if that isnt the issue? Anyway, my
> questions
> > > for
> > > > >> > you are these:
> > > > >> > Have any of you tried Acupuncture? Either to relieve pain or to
> > > keep
> > > > >> > adhesions from reforming (is this possible?)
> > > > >> > Is there anything I can do after this surgery to retard the
> growth
> > > of
> > > > >> > this stuff?
> > > > >> > Please email me at acinom@primenet.com if you can be of any
> > > assistance.
> > > > >> > I appreciate it more than you can imagine!
> > > > >> > I hope this finds you all pain free and blessed with love and
> > > laughter
> > > > >> > *HUGS*
> > > > >> > Monica
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Joyce
> > > >
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