--- Shali <Shali9@icdc.com> wrote:
> Hi Rita -
>
> One flush does not get them all out. As I said, the
> liver holds about
> 2,000. The only stones that pass are the ones that
> are ready to go and
> I say you have more in there if you got what you did
> the first time
> around. There is no doubt in my mind. Ive known
> lots of people in the
> same predicament. Ive done 8 flushes total and each
> time, there were
> stones until I eventually got none. The epidural
> I'll never do again.
> AS they were removing it, it left my upper left
> thigh numb. That was 7
> months ago. Its still numb. I also took everyone
> else's advice that
> the epidural was the way to go. It didn't work
> anyway as toning down
> any pain. And yes, I am all too familiar with as
> long as youre walking,
> you aint sick. But back to the stones, you got some
> fairly large ones
> out. Who's to say theres not one in there the size
> of a golf ball
> making you feel the way you do? Or a hundred more
> small ones. Its when
> they get caught in the bile ducts too that cause
> pain. You just oughta
> consider another one while youre waiting on surgery.
> Yes I agree, the
> oil is disgusting but it sure is effective without
> being cut open!
>
> Shali
>
> At Sun, 12 May 2002, Rita Steele wrote:
> >
> >Shali,
> >I did the liver/gallbladder flush before I had my
> >gallbladder out. My Chiropractor gave me the
> recipe.
> >On 2/14/00 I passed @ least 40 stones from pinhead
> >size to large grape size. The recipe was
> throuroughly
> >disgusting but I was desperate! But I continued to
> be
> >in severe pain so I went to a gastro Dr. & I took
> >several of the stones with me, he wouldn't even
> look @
> >them & said you could not pass stones! I had an
> >ultrasound that showed I had no stones in my
> >gallbladder, imagine that! Finally I was given a
> HIDA
> >scan that came back that my gallbladder was only
> >functioning @ 4%. So after suffering for two months
> I
> >had my gallbladder removed, but the pain got worse
> >after surgery. I'm not on any pain meds. Drs. a
> very
> >reluctant to prescribe me anything that works. So I
> >feel like surgery is my only option. Hopefully it
> will
> >confirm that I have adhesions so my employer will
> get
> >off my back. They think because I can walk & talk
> that
> >I can continue to work. Unfortunately I have a high
> >pain tolerance I had my kids without medication,
> but I
> >would have an epidural if I had to do it all over
> >again!!! Thanks for the suggestion though I really
> >appreciate it. I have the recipe too, if anyone
> else
> >would like to try it. Happy Mothers Day to All!
> >Rita in AZ
> >--- Shali <Shali9@icdc.com> wrote:
> >> Jennifer -
> >>
> >> Hold on before you go jumping into this because
> you
> >> are still having
> >> problems yet the usual answer nothing is wrong.
> >> Hope I dont get in
> >> trouble here but I happen to know a few things
> and
> >> this may be worth
> >> finding out if the pain goes away for a few
> bucks.
> >> I will assume that
> >> since you had your gallbladder out, you were
> having
> >> gallbladder problems
> >> or attacks. You are still having trouble -
> doesnt
> >> surprise me if this
> >> is the scenario: The gallbladder doesnt hold near
> as
> >> many stones as the
> >> liver. The liver holds or can hold around 2,000.
> >> Do they address the
> >> liver? NO. Just the gallbladder. Then how can
> one
> >> feel better? A liver
> >> flush can push more stones out. Its a 3 day
> event
> >> to find out. If you
> >> go in for adhesions and dont have them, you
> havent
> >> gained anything. If
> >> you can do a liver flush, you WILL gain something
> -
> >> either the knowledge
> >> that you arent dealing with adhesions because the
> >> pain is gone OR the
> >> pain isnt gone and its adhesions. You have a
> good
> >> chance at staying out
> >> of surgery. I have the recipe for the flush if
> you
> >> want it
> >>
> >> Shali
> >>
> >> At Sat, 11 May 2002, Rita Steele wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Jennifer,
> >> >I had my gallbladder removed on 3/22/00 instead
> of
> >> >feeling better the pain got worse. I've been to
> @
> >> >least a dozen different Drs. over the last two
> >> years.
> >> >I've had every test imaginable & everything
> always
> >> >comes back "NORMAL"! Not until I went to an
> >> >independent medical Dr.last Dec. (my employer
> >> >apparently thought I was faking my pain & I've
> been
> >> >employed by the same co. for 21 yrs!) did anyone
> >> >mention adhesions.To make it more upsetting he
> told
> >> me
> >> >after all the tests I suffered through, (that
> put
> >> me
> >> >deeper in debt) would not show adhesions only
> >> surgery
> >> >would! But he recommended I have 3-6 mos. of
> >> >psychiatric help for my depression, he said
> surgery
> >> >was a last resort. Well, after going through
> >> therapy,
> >> >taking three different anti-depressants the pain
> >> has
> >> >not gone away! I have apt. with a surgeon in
> >> Phoenix
> >> >this Tues. who I pray is the answer to my pain.
> I'm
> >> >sick & tired of being treated like a nut case.
> My
> >> pain
> >> >seems to be worse @ night & when I was working I
> >> used
> >> >my right arm constantly the pain became
> >> excruciating.
> >> >I've been on medical leave since Oct. 01', my
> >> employer
> >> >is taking me off disability on Monday because
> the
> >> >psychiatrist released me because he can't do
> >> anything
> >> >else to help me! Life is not fair! A heating pad
> is
> >> >the only way I get through the night. I really
> feel
> >> >for you if you are going through what I have
> been
> >> for
> >> >the last two years.
> >> >Pain Free Hugs,
> >> >Rita in AZ
> >> >--- Millie <milliem@citlink.net> wrote:
> >> >> Jennifer,
> >> >> Yes, the more they cut you, the more adhesions
> >> you
> >> >> can get, and there is no
> >> >> 100% cure for adhesions.
> >> >> Millie
> >> >
> >
>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "Jennifer" <webcraft@geotec.net>
> >> >> To: "Multiple recipients of list ADHESIONS"
> >> >> <adhesions@mail.medispecialty.com>
> >> >> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 6:28 PM
> >> >> Subject: Trip to E.R last night...
> >> >>
> >> >> > I've been having some massive upper right
> >> >> abdominal pain/painful
>
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