-- ShaliAt Sun, 12 May 2002, Rita Steele wrote: > >Hi Shali, >Thanks for responding so quickly. You've really done >the flush 8 times! I've honestly thought about doing >it again thinking a stone may be lodged in my bile >duct.Apparently they can't see gallstones in the liver >on MRI's, Ct scans, etc.. I didn't realize they could >be found in the liver, none of the Drs. ever mentioned >this. But none of them believe me when I tell them I >actually passed them. My daughter-in-law is an RN & >she was taught you couldn't pass them but she believes >me. I had an epidural last Oct. & all it did was make >my pain worse! I will take your advice & do the flush >again as much as I hate the thought. My flush is a 3 >day ordeal, also. Does your recipe call for fasting, >epsom salts, fruit salad w/whipped cream, olive >oil,lemons, & chamomille tea? Thanks ever so much, >Shali. I hope you had a good day. My Kids took me out >for lunch & a movie. We had a nice day. >Rita > >--- Shali <Shali9@icdc.com> wrote: >> Hi Rita - >> >> One flush does not get them all out. As I said, the >> liver holds about >> 2,000. The only stones that pass are the ones that >> are ready to go and >> I say you have more in there if you got what you did >> the first time >> around. There is no doubt in my mind. Ive known >> lots of people in the >> same predicament. Ive done 8 flushes total and each >> time, there were >> stones until I eventually got none. The epidural >> I'll never do again. >> AS they were removing it, it left my upper left >> thigh numb. That was 7 >> months ago. Its still numb. I also took everyone >> else's advice that >> the epidural was the way to go. It didn't work >> anyway as toning down >> any pain. And yes, I am all too familiar with as >> long as youre walking, >> you aint sick. But back to the stones, you got some >> fairly large ones >> out. Who's to say theres not one in there the size >> of a golf ball >> making you feel the way you do? Or a hundred more >> small ones. Its when >> they get caught in the bile ducts too that cause >> pain. You just oughta >> consider another one while youre waiting on surgery. >> Yes I agree, the >> oil is disgusting but it sure is effective without >> being cut open! >> >> Shali >> >> At Sun, 12 May 2002, Rita Steele wrote: >> > >> >Shali, >> >I did the liver/gallbladder flush before I had my >> >gallbladder out. My Chiropractor gave me the >> recipe. >> >On 2/14/00 I passed @ least 40 stones from pinhead >> >size to large grape size. The recipe was >> throuroughly >> >disgusting but I was desperate! But I continued to >> be >> >in severe pain so I went to a gastro Dr. & I took >> >several of the stones with me, he wouldn't even >> look @ >> >them & said you could not pass stones! I had an >> >ultrasound that showed I had no stones in my >> >gallbladder, imagine that! Finally I was given a >> HIDA >> >scan that came back that my gallbladder was only >> >functioning @ 4%. So after suffering for two months >> I >> >had my gallbladder removed, but the pain got worse >> >after surgery. I'm not on any pain meds. Drs. a >> very >> >reluctant to prescribe me anything that works. So I >> >feel like surgery is my only option. Hopefully it >> will >> >confirm that I have adhesions so my employer will >> get >> >off my back. They think because I can walk & talk >> that >> >I can continue to work. Unfortunately I have a high >> >pain tolerance I had my kids without medication, >> but I >> >would have an epidural if I had to do it all over >> >again!!! Thanks for the suggestion though I really >> >appreciate it. I have the recipe too, if anyone >> else >> >would like to try it. Happy Mothers Day to All! >> >Rita in AZ >> >--- Shali <Shali9@icdc.com> wrote: >> >> Jennifer - >> >> >> >> Hold on before you go jumping into this because >> you >> >> are still having >> >> problems yet the usual answer nothing is wrong. >> >> Hope I dont get in >> >> trouble here but I happen to know a few things >> and >> >> this may be worth >> >> finding out if the pain goes away for a few >> bucks. >> >> I will assume that >> >> since you had your gallbladder out, you were >> having >> >> gallbladder problems >> >> or attacks. You are still having trouble - >> doesnt >> >> surprise me if this >> >> is the scenario: The gallbladder doesnt hold near >> as >> >> many stones as the >> >> liver. The liver holds or can hold around 2,000. >> >> Do they address the >> >> liver? NO. Just the gallbladder. Then how can >> one >> >> feel better? A liver >> >> flush can push more stones out. Its a 3 day >> event >> >> to find out. If you >> >> go in for adhesions and dont have them, you >> havent >> >> gained anything. If >> >> you can do a liver flush, you WILL gain something >> - >> >> either the knowledge >> >> that you arent dealing with adhesions because the >> >> pain is gone OR the >> >> pain isnt gone and its adhesions. You have a >> good >> >> chance at staying out >> >> of surgery. I have the recipe for the flush if >> you >> >> want it >> >> >> >> Shali >> >> >> >> At Sat, 11 May 2002, Rita Steele wrote: >> >> > >> >> >Jennifer, >> >> >I had my gallbladder removed on 3/22/00 instead >> of >> >> >feeling better the pain got worse. I've been to >> @ >> >> >least a dozen different Drs. over the last two >> >> years. >> >> >I've had every test imaginable & everything >> always >> >> >comes back "NORMAL"! Not until I went to an >> >> >independent medical Dr.last Dec. (my employer >> >> >apparently thought I was faking my pain & I've >> been >> >> >employed by the same co. for 21 yrs!) did anyone >> >> >mention adhesions.To make it more upsetting he >> told >> >> me >> >> >after all the tests I suffered through, (that >> put >> >> me >> >> >deeper in debt) would not show adhesions only >> >> surgery >> >> >would! But he recommended I have 3-6 mos. of >> >> >psychiatric help for my depression, he said >> surgery >> >> >was a last resort. Well, after going through >> >> therapy, >> >> >taking three different anti-depressants the pain >> >> has >> >> >not gone away! I have apt. with a surgeon in >> >> Phoenix >> >> >this Tues. who I pray is the answer to my pain. >> I'm >> >> >sick & tired of being treated like a nut case. >> My >> >> pain >> >> >seems to be worse @ night & when I was working I >> >> used >> >> >my right arm constantly the pain became >> >> excruciating. >> >> >I've been on medical leave since Oct. 01', my >> >> employer >> >> >is taking me off disability on Monday because >> the >> >> >psychiatrist released me because he can't do >> >> anything >> >> >else to help me! Life is not fair! A heating pad >> is >> >> >the only way I get through the night. I really >> feel >> >> >for you if you are going through what I have >> been >> >> for >> >> >the last two years. >> >> >Pain Free Hugs, >> >> >Rita in AZ >> >> >--- Millie <milliem@citlink.net> wrote: >> >> >> Jennifer, >> >> >> Yes, the more they cut you, the more adhesions >> >> you >> >> >> can get, and there is no >> >> >> 100% cure for adhesions. >> >> >> Millie >> >> > >> > >
>>>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> From: "Jennifer" <webcraft@geotec.net> >> >> >> To: "Multiple recipients of list ADHESIONS" >> >> >> <adhesions@mail.medispecialty.com> >> >> >> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 6:28 PM >> >> >> Subject: Trip to E.R last night... >> >> >> >> >> >> > I've been having some massive upper right >> >> >> abdominal pain/painful >> >=== message truncated === >