The remark made yesterday on the postings on Paula being a " marketer " was insensitive on my part....I should have thought before writing it that way. That certainly appeared to be a negative, hurtful and intentional slander, and I drew that conclusion from the email address. That was totally unfair to Paula!
You are correct Paula, this society is not meant for nor should it slander anyone, no matter what they are saying or doing on it. I am sorry I reacted with suspicion of you and placed the wrong motive of your intent to help...I feel very bad that what I said hurt you, and of course it would hurt hurt when all you were trying to do was share the best you knew how to! I was wrong to make such a comment! My reaction was to what I read about PT " softening " abdominal adhesion and knowing that it is impossible, I reacted, as I am adamantly against any type of claims of stuff like that without clarification of how it is accomplished, but I didn't give you a chance to clarify your commnets first! That is simply why I reacted and became suspicious along with he email address..all unfair to you, Paula! I very well should have discussed that with you in private! No excuse, but to err is human, and I am human, and so are you...now we can move forward in continueing to help others...okay?
Please accept my sincere apology...and I look forward to you sharing with me and others on this society so we can help others as that ultimately is both our intents. Sorry again...:-)
I look forward hearing from you on your PT intervention , and I hope that you will understand the need for a bit more defined explanations on this type of treatment as it is so important to know how it actually physically accomplishes the pain relief.
In friendship Bev
>----- Original Message -----
From: ZIMLICKI,PAULA M <MKT-PMZ@womans.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list ADHESIONS <adhesions@mail.medispecialty.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 11:28 AM
Subject: response to statement
> Dear Bev,
> I spent the better part of yesterday replying to your email. My reply will
> be posted soon, but first, I must reply to your most recent comment. I am
> most decidedly NOT a marketer looking for some business from people
> suffering from adhesions, and I ask you to apologize for making what I
> consider a slanderous statement. Please talk to Dave Wiseman--he can vouch
> for my sincerity in helping to educate people about adhesions. I am very
> distressed that you have felt it necessary to make such a statement about
me
> without any proof whatsoever.
>
> I am merely a woman who has suffered from adhesions from having so much
> abdominal surgery and who has benefited from physical therapy, and ALL I
> wanted to do was to participate in this forum by letting others know of a
> possible treatment. I do not think that the International Adhesion
Society's
> purpose is to slander someone who is simply trying to help.
> Paula M. Zimlicki
> mkt-pmz@womans.com
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bernie and Beverly Doucette [SMTP:bnb@cybrzn.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 10:22 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ADHESIONS
> > Subject: Re: How do I prevent them from coming back?
> >
> > Heat increases the blood flow to the already inflammed areas where
> > adhesions
> > are attached, thus increasing your pain! Joyce, PT can help external
scar
> > tissue to become more expandable, and it can help muscle tissue as well
as
> > soft tissues of the body, but it cannot touch the areas where internal
> > abdominel adhesions are...it is impossible given the physical anatomy
> > ofour
> > body..layer by layer of thick muscle tissue and fatty tissue, then
> > peritoneal tissue...can't help from PT my dear! but it sure will cost
> > lots
> > of money to find out it doesn't work!
> >
> > I fear we have a marketeer looking for some bussiness with a group of
> > people
> > in pain..if I am wrong, Paula can substantiate her claim as well as I
can
> > dispute it, agree with that part? I can also prove it is impossible for
> > PT
> > to help soften adhesion tissue....so therefor I CAN substantiate my
claim
> > that PT will not help ARD!
> >
> > Bev
>> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Joyce <Joyce@bellsouth.net>
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ADHESIONS
> > <adhesions@mail.medispecialty.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 9:37 PM
> > Subject: Re: How do I prevent them from coming back?
> >
> > > I also would love more info on PT for adhesions... I would be willing
> > > to try it as I've had wonderful success with PT for tendonitis, but
> > > adhesions is a far cry from tennis elbow. My argument would be with
the
> > > 'heat' treatment. Over the summer I tried sitting in a Hot Tub
thinking
> > > the heat would help my pain. Boy, was I wrong! Apparently, the heat
> > > caused more swelling! I ended up in so much pain I had to go to bed in
> > > the middle of the day which was a bummer being that I was on vacation.
> > I
> > > took some Anti-Inflammatory NSAID Medication and just layed there
until
> > > the pain eased. I was absolutely miserable! Never again will I try
heat
> > > to relieve the pain. And I've also tried Yoga stretches and Pilates.
> > > They both seem to aggravate the condition. It feels like the pulling
> > > reinjures the tissue... I would love to find an exercise or stretch
> > > that helps instead of hurts.... if PT can help, then I'm all for
it...
> > > but I have to say, I'm skeptical. Would love more specific info.....
> > >
> > > Joyce
> > >
> > > At Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Bernie and Beverly Doucette wrote:
> > > >
> > > >Please send substantiating information as to how PT can soften
adhesion
> > > >tissue?
> > > >
> > > >Adhesions are located deep within the abdomen and many surround the
> > > >intestines, as time goes by the adhesion tissue toughens thus
> > constricts
> > the
> > > >intestine or pulls other attached organs out of position more and
more,
> > how
> > > >can PT help in that process?
> > > >How does a therepist massage adhesion on the bowel? What about in the
> > deep
> > > >abdomen? There ia the large thick rectus muscle as well as a layer of
> > fatty
> > > >tissue between the surface of the abdomen and the adhesions, how are
> > the
> > > >adhesions massaged?
> > > >
> > > >A TENS unit is a nerve stimulator, how would that be of benefit on
> > adhesion
> > > >tissue as there is no nerves in adhesion tissue? And where would a
TENS
> > be
> > > >placed on a person for abdominal adhesions, as without a laporoscopic
> > > >surgery, it is unknown where the adhesion are and what they are
> > attached
> > to?
> > > >
> > > >Excersise that cause pulling of the organs that adhesions are
connected
> > to
> > > >will increase inflamation thus pain, if a person cannot bend or sit
for
> > long
> > > >due to the intestines not being able to move up and to the back of
that
> > > >person becasue they are attched to the peritoneum ( inner abdominal
> > wall )
> > > >wouldn't excersise create even more pain? At times even movement
while
> > > >riding in a car can cause pain simply from the motion of the moving
> > vehicle.
> > > >
> > > >Are there brochures or information on these treatmenst? What has the
> > history
> > > >been as far as success? How is this success tracked if there is
> > statistics
> > > >on PT & Adhesion disease?
> > > >
> > > >Have you seen adhesion of the bowel or pelvis?
> > > >
> > > >It is imarative that comments of this nature be substantiated for
those
> > who
> > > >are desperatly looking for medical intervetion and it is also
important
> > for
> > > >them not to pay money they do not have in treatments that will be
> > > >ineffective for this disease...it is my opinion that PT will not help
> > > >adhesion sufferers other then to empty the pocket books. BUT...show
me
> > > >proof of all that was discribed here and I will be very willing to
> > research
> > > >it.
> > > >
> > > >Your new here, and we are happy that it worked for you, Paula, and
who
> > did
> > > >your surgery? How many surgeries have you had and how may years have
> > you
> > > >suffered with adhesions? Did you have endo as well my dear?
Thank-you
> > for
> > > >sharing this and we look forward to hearing more on this and answers
to
> > > >these questions as well.
> > > >
> > > >Sincerely yours
> > > >Beverly
>> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: ZIMLICKI,PAULA M <MKT-PMZ@womans.com>
> > > >To: Multiple recipients of list ADHESIONS
> > <adhesions@mail.medispecialty.com>
> > > >Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 12:10 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: How do I prevent them from coming back?
> > > >
> > > >> I suffer from adhesions due to so much abdominal surgery. I had one
> > > >surgery
> > > >> for the adhesions, which I always found ironic since surgery is
what
> > > >caused
> > > >> them in the first place! The second time the adhesions began giving
> > me
> > > >lots
> > > >> of pain I tried physical therapy, and it worked. The pain was so
> > severe
> > > >that
> > > >> it woke me up whenever I turned over at night. It's important to
get
> > a
> > > >> physical therapist who has received specific training in abdominal
> > > >> adhesions. The American Physical Therapy Association, which has a
> > website,
> > > >> can give you information as to whether a PT in your area is
> > available.
> > I
> > > >> encourage all of you to try this. Through the use of ultrasound,
scar
> > > >> massage, heat, TENS unit, and exercises tailored toward the
> > adhesions,
> > I
> > > >was
> > > >> spared another abdominal surgery. The PT treatment does not get rid
> > of
> > the
> > > >> adhesions but can soften them enough so that they don't cause the
> > pain.
> > It
> > > >> spared me another abdominal surgery! I would be glad to answer any
> > > >> questions.
> > > >>
> > > >> Paula M. Zimlicki
> > > >>
> > > >> mkt-pmz@womans.com
> > > >>
> > > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > > >> > From: acinom@primenet.com [SMTP:acinom@primenet.com]
> > > >> > Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 9:09 PM
> > > >> > To: Multiple recipients of list ADHESIONS
> > > >> > Subject: How do I prevent them from coming back?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Hi everyone! I just stumbled upon this site tonight, I have yet
to
> > join
> > > >> > the forum, but I was wondering if anyone could help me. I have
> > endo,
> > I
> > > >> > had 2 laps in 99, and I have another one scheduled for October
> > 30th.
> > > >> > Each of the last times they found more problems with the surgical
> > > >> > adhesions from an appendectomy back in 88 with minimal endo. The
> > amount
> > > >> > that came back in just 4 months was amazing. Well, the pain is
> > back,
> > > >> > and again I suspect it to be adhesions rather than endo, but who
is
> > to
> > > >> > know for sure which is causing the pain since I have both
problems?
> > I
> > > >> > dont want to take Lupron or any other hormonal treatment other
than
> > > >> > bcp's particularly because I fear the big problem is the adhsions
> > so
> > why
> > > >> > mess with endo drugs if that isnt the issue? Anyway, my questions
> > for
> > > >> > you are these:
> > > >> > Have any of you tried Acupuncture? Either to relieve pain or to
> > keep
> > > >> > adhesions from reforming (is this possible?)
> > > >> > Is there anything I can do after this surgery to retard the
growth
> > of
> > > >> > this stuff?
> > > >> > Please email me at acinom@primenet.com if you can be of any
> > assistance.
> > > >> > I appreciate it more than you can imagine!
> > > >> > I hope this finds you all pain free and blessed with love and
> > laughter
> > > >> > *HUGS*
> > > >> > Monica
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> > > --
> > > Joyce
> > >
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> >
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