Re: Rita - Liver flush

From: Em (ewaa@earthlink.net)
Tue May 14 00:11:00 2002


Hi Shali, So, what is the entire recipe for the liver flush? I get the general idea, but would love to to hear the entire thing if you don't mind. em At Sun, 12 May 2002, Shali wrote: >
>Oh goody, goody. Shes going to do another one. If you were already
>thinking about it, I guess you could say I came along to reinforce it. I
>would be anxious to know what happens. I dont do all that you mention.
>I just eat light the day before and OF the oil trip. Also, unless you
>already know, I would highly recommend doing Ortho Phosphoric Acid with
>the apple juice so the stones are softened enough and dont tear any bile
>ducts.Doesnt your recipe call for OPA? Better safe than sorry. Sometimes
>I didnt do the OPA, but my stones were much smaller than yours. Also,
>3/4 of a cup of oil works too. I experimented because a cup is what it
>calls for. Dont think I'd drop it any lower than that. Also, what
>makes it MUCH more platable is in addition to the lemon [which is
>mandatory], is tangerine, orange, grapefruit. I decided to see if I
>could get it down better and I did. I would love to have invited the
>doctors over and ask them just what they think the toilet filled with
>green chaffe was if it didnt come out of the gallbladder when the
>gallbladder doesnt know what to do with all that oil and flushes them
>out. I guess they would call it pure coincidence that I drank a cup of
>oil and got all these things out that LOOK like gallbladder stones.
>Well, my mom HAD gallbladder surgery and the doctor showed her what they
>look liked and when she saw mine, she confirmed they were stones. She
>tells everyone with gallbladder problems about the flush. I say they
>[doctors] can see whatever they WANT to see. But since - as usual -
>they cant fix the problem, theyre not going to acknowledge it. Surely,
>they cant start tearing into the liver. But guess what? We can remove
>them anyway! I dont do the epsom salts. The recipe calls for it but I
>think its too harsh. Just make sure you do laxatives so the bowel isnt
>bogged down and what is really ideal is a colonic. Glad you had a nice
>day. Wish I could eat without all the symptoms. Some day soon.
>
>--
>Shali
>
>At Sun, 12 May 2002, Rita Steele wrote:
>>
>>Hi Shali,
>>Thanks for responding so quickly. You've really done
>>the flush 8 times! I've honestly thought about doing
>>it again thinking a stone may be lodged in my bile
>>duct.Apparently they can't see gallstones in the liver
>>on MRI's, Ct scans, etc.. I didn't realize they could
>>be found in the liver, none of the Drs. ever mentioned
>>this. But none of them believe me when I tell them I
>>actually passed them. My daughter-in-law is an RN &
>>she was taught you couldn't pass them but she believes
>>me. I had an epidural last Oct. & all it did was make
>>my pain worse! I will take your advice & do the flush
>>again as much as I hate the thought. My flush is a 3
>>day ordeal, also. Does your recipe call for fasting,
>>epsom salts, fruit salad w/whipped cream, olive
>>oil,lemons, & chamomille tea? Thanks ever so much,
>>Shali. I hope you had a good day. My Kids took me out
>>for lunch & a movie. We had a nice day.
>>Rita
>>
>>--- Shali <Shali9@icdc.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Rita -
>>>
>>> One flush does not get them all out. As I said, the
>>> liver holds about
>>> 2,000. The only stones that pass are the ones that
>>> are ready to go and
>>> I say you have more in there if you got what you did
>>> the first time
>>> around. There is no doubt in my mind. Ive known
>>> lots of people in the
>>> same predicament. Ive done 8 flushes total and each
>>> time, there were
>>> stones until I eventually got none. The epidural
>>> I'll never do again.
>>> AS they were removing it, it left my upper left
>>> thigh numb. That was 7
>>> months ago. Its still numb. I also took everyone
>>> else's advice that
>>> the epidural was the way to go. It didn't work
>>> anyway as toning down
>>> any pain. And yes, I am all too familiar with as
>>> long as youre walking,
>>> you aint sick. But back to the stones, you got some
>>> fairly large ones
>>> out. Who's to say theres not one in there the size
>>> of a golf ball
>>> making you feel the way you do? Or a hundred more
>>> small ones. Its when
>>> they get caught in the bile ducts too that cause
>>> pain. You just oughta
>>> consider another one while youre waiting on surgery.
>>> Yes I agree, the
>>> oil is disgusting but it sure is effective without
>>> being cut open!
>>>
>>> Shali
>>>
>>> At Sun, 12 May 2002, Rita Steele wrote:
>>> >
>>> >Shali,
>>> >I did the liver/gallbladder flush before I had my
>>> >gallbladder out. My Chiropractor gave me the
>>> recipe.
>>> >On 2/14/00 I passed @ least 40 stones from pinhead
>>> >size to large grape size. The recipe was
>>> throuroughly
>>> >disgusting but I was desperate! But I continued to
>>> be
>>> >in severe pain so I went to a gastro Dr. & I took
>>> >several of the stones with me, he wouldn't even
>>> look @
>>> >them & said you could not pass stones! I had an
>>> >ultrasound that showed I had no stones in my
>>> >gallbladder, imagine that! Finally I was given a
>>> HIDA
>>> >scan that came back that my gallbladder was only
>>> >functioning @ 4%. So after suffering for two months
>>> I
>>> >had my gallbladder removed, but the pain got worse
>>> >after surgery. I'm not on any pain meds. Drs. a
>>> very
>>> >reluctant to prescribe me anything that works. So I
>>> >feel like surgery is my only option. Hopefully it
>>> will
>>> >confirm that I have adhesions so my employer will
>>> get
>>> >off my back. They think because I can walk & talk
>>> that
>>> >I can continue to work. Unfortunately I have a high
>>> >pain tolerance I had my kids without medication,
>>> but I
>>> >would have an epidural if I had to do it all over
>>> >again!!! Thanks for the suggestion though I really
>>> >appreciate it. I have the recipe too, if anyone
>>> else
>>> >would like to try it. Happy Mothers Day to All!
>>> >Rita in AZ
>>> >--- Shali <Shali9@icdc.com> wrote:
>>> >> Jennifer -
>>> >>
>>> >> Hold on before you go jumping into this because
>>> you
>>> >> are still having
>>> >> problems yet the usual answer nothing is wrong.
>>> >> Hope I dont get in
>>> >> trouble here but I happen to know a few things
>>> and
>>> >> this may be worth
>>> >> finding out if the pain goes away for a few
>>> bucks.
>>> >> I will assume that
>>> >> since you had your gallbladder out, you were
>>> having
>>> >> gallbladder problems
>>> >> or attacks. You are still having trouble -
>>> doesnt
>>> >> surprise me if this
>>> >> is the scenario: The gallbladder doesnt hold near
>>> as
>>> >> many stones as the
>>> >> liver. The liver holds or can hold around 2,000.
>>> >> Do they address the
>>> >> liver? NO. Just the gallbladder. Then how can
>>> one
>>> >> feel better? A liver
>>> >> flush can push more stones out. Its a 3 day
>>> event
>>> >> to find out. If you
>>> >> go in for adhesions and dont have them, you
>>> havent
>>> >> gained anything. If
>>> >> you can do a liver flush, you WILL gain something
>>> -
>>> >> either the knowledge
>>> >> that you arent dealing with adhesions because the
>>> >> pain is gone OR the
>>> >> pain isnt gone and its adhesions. You have a
>>> good
>>> >> chance at staying out
>>> >> of surgery. I have the recipe for the flush if
>>> you
>>> >> want it
>>> >>
>>> >> Shali
>>> >>
>>> >> At Sat, 11 May 2002, Rita Steele wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Jennifer,
>>> >> >I had my gallbladder removed on 3/22/00 instead
>>> of
>>> >> >feeling better the pain got worse. I've been to
>>> @
>>> >> >least a dozen different Drs. over the last two
>>> >> years.
>>> >> >I've had every test imaginable & everything
>>> always
>>> >> >comes back "NORMAL"! Not until I went to an
>>> >> >independent medical Dr.last Dec. (my employer
>>> >> >apparently thought I was faking my pain & I've
>>> been
>>> >> >employed by the same co. for 21 yrs!) did anyone
>>> >> >mention adhesions.To make it more upsetting he
>>> told
>>> >> me
>>> >> >after all the tests I suffered through, (that
>>> put
>>> >> me
>>> >> >deeper in debt) would not show adhesions only
>>> >> surgery
>>> >> >would! But he recommended I have 3-6 mos. of
>>> >> >psychiatric help for my depression, he said
>>> surgery
>>> >> >was a last resort. Well, after going through
>>> >> therapy,
>>> >> >taking three different anti-depressants the pain
>>> >> has
>>> >> >not gone away! I have apt. with a surgeon in
>>> >> Phoenix
>>> >> >this Tues. who I pray is the answer to my pain.
>>> I'm
>>> >> >sick & tired of being treated like a nut case.
>>> My
>>> >> pain
>>> >> >seems to be worse @ night & when I was working I
>>> >> used
>>> >> >my right arm constantly the pain became
>>> >> excruciating.
>>> >> >I've been on medical leave since Oct. 01', my
>>> >> employer
>>> >> >is taking me off disability on Monday because
>>> the
>>> >> >psychiatrist released me because he can't do
>>> >> anything
>>> >> >else to help me! Life is not fair! A heating pad
>>> is
>>> >> >the only way I get through the night. I really
>>> feel
>>> >> >for you if you are going through what I have
>>> been
>>> >> for
>>> >> >the last two years.
>>> >> >Pain Free Hugs,
>>> >> >Rita in AZ
>>> >> >--- Millie <milliem@citlink.net> wrote:
>>> >> >> Jennifer,
>>> >> >> Yes, the more they cut you, the more adhesions
>>> >> you
>>> >> >> can get, and there is no
>>> >> >> 100% cure for adhesions.
>>> >> >> Millie
>>> >> >
>>> >
>>

>>>>>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> >> From: "Jennifer" <webcraft@geotec.net>
>>> >> >> To: "Multiple recipients of list ADHESIONS"
>>> >> >> <adhesions@mail.medispecialty.com>
>>> >> >> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 6:28 PM
>>> >> >> Subject: Trip to E.R last night...
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> > I've been having some massive upper right
>>> >> >> abdominal pain/painful
>>>
>>=== message truncated ===
>>


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